Les Langages dans Ars Magica
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Les Langages dans Ars Magica
Voici une liste des différents langages parlé dans l'Europe Médiévale
Celtic Languages
•Goidelic or Gaelic: Irish Gaelic, Scots Gaelic (Erse), Manx Gaelic
[N.B. The languages begin to diverge in the C. 10th because of geographical separation. Irish
is originally written in the Ogam (or Ogham) alphabet. In this period, Scots Gaelic is written
in the Irish dialect.]
•Brythonic: Breton, Cornish, Cumbrian, Welsh
[N.B. Cornish and Breton are mutually intelligible until the C. 15th. Welsh in 1200 A.D. is
Old Welsh. In 1200 A.D., Cumbrian is probably similar to northern Welsh. Literature in these
languages is written in the period from the C. 12th to the C. 15th.]
Germanic Languages
•Germanic: Bavarian German, Dutch, English (Old English, Anglo-Saxon), Frisian,
High German, Low German, Yiddish
•West Scandinavian: Faeroese, Icelandic, Norwegian
•East Scandinavian: Danish, Gotlandish, Scanian, Swedish
[N.B. The various Scandinavians languages became distinct starting in the 12th century. Old
Norse is still the language used for the Icelandic sagas. You may consider the Scandinavian
languages presented to all be dialects of Norse.
Dutch includes Flemish dialects in Belgium. I do not know how widespread Yiddish might be
in Mythic Europe given how Jews are treated by society at large, but it is probably prevalent
in mostly Jewish villages. High German dialects include Franconian, Swabian, Swiss, and
Rhenish.
Old English (Anglo-Saxon) and Frisian are still very closely related. English has probably
begun to absorb some elements of French in the 150 years since the Norman invasion, but this
French influence is most prevalent in the southeast. Also, most English nobles at this time
speak French in court. Major English dialects include Mercian, Middle English, and
Northumbrian. ]
Romance or Latinate Languages
•Italian Isthmus: Italian, Rhaetian, Sardinian
[N.B. Some other contemporary Latinate languages from the north of Italy include Faliscan,
Oscan, Umbrian, and Venetic, but these are mostly dead by 1200. Major Italian dialects are
regionally based, and include Corsican, Lombard, Neapolitan, Roman, Sardinian, Sicilian, and
Tuscan. Rhaetian, which includes several (mutually incomprehensible) languages, is spoken
in the Piedmont region.]
•French Languages: French (Langue d'Oil), Occitan (Langue d'Oc),
[The major dialects of Langue d'Oil are Normand (Norman French), Picard, and French. The
major dialects of Langue d'Oc are Catalan and Provençal. The dividing line is roughly the
Loire River.]
•Iberian Peninsula: Catalan, Castillian (Spanish), Portuguese
[Castillian and Portuguese are very similar languages.]
•Others: Latin, Dalmatian, Romanian
Slavic Languages
•Baltic: Latvian, Lithuanian, Old Prussian (Wendish)
•West Slavonic: Czech, Moravian, Polish, Slovak, Sorbian
•South Slavonic: Bulgarian, Macedonian, Serbo-Croat, Slovene
•East Slavonic: Russian, Belorussian, Ukranian
[N.B. Most South and East Slavonic languages use the Cyrillic alphabet. Croatian uses the
Latin alphabet although the spoken language is very close to Serbian.]
Other Languages
•Albanian: Gheg dialect is spoken in the north; Tosk dialect, the south.
•Arabic: Spoken through most of the Islamic world. Local languages also exist.
•Armenian: Classical Armenian (Grabar) uses the 38-letter alphabet developed by St.
Mesrop. Spoken in Kingdom of Lesser Armenia and in some areas through Anatolia
and the Caucasus.
•Basque: spoken in the western Pyrenees.
•Berber: spoken in Moorish Spain and Northern
Celtic Languages
•Goidelic or Gaelic: Irish Gaelic, Scots Gaelic (Erse), Manx Gaelic
[N.B. The languages begin to diverge in the C. 10th because of geographical separation. Irish
is originally written in the Ogam (or Ogham) alphabet. In this period, Scots Gaelic is written
in the Irish dialect.]
•Brythonic: Breton, Cornish, Cumbrian, Welsh
[N.B. Cornish and Breton are mutually intelligible until the C. 15th. Welsh in 1200 A.D. is
Old Welsh. In 1200 A.D., Cumbrian is probably similar to northern Welsh. Literature in these
languages is written in the period from the C. 12th to the C. 15th.]
Germanic Languages
•Germanic: Bavarian German, Dutch, English (Old English, Anglo-Saxon), Frisian,
High German, Low German, Yiddish
•West Scandinavian: Faeroese, Icelandic, Norwegian
•East Scandinavian: Danish, Gotlandish, Scanian, Swedish
[N.B. The various Scandinavians languages became distinct starting in the 12th century. Old
Norse is still the language used for the Icelandic sagas. You may consider the Scandinavian
languages presented to all be dialects of Norse.
Dutch includes Flemish dialects in Belgium. I do not know how widespread Yiddish might be
in Mythic Europe given how Jews are treated by society at large, but it is probably prevalent
in mostly Jewish villages. High German dialects include Franconian, Swabian, Swiss, and
Rhenish.
Old English (Anglo-Saxon) and Frisian are still very closely related. English has probably
begun to absorb some elements of French in the 150 years since the Norman invasion, but this
French influence is most prevalent in the southeast. Also, most English nobles at this time
speak French in court. Major English dialects include Mercian, Middle English, and
Northumbrian. ]
Romance or Latinate Languages
•Italian Isthmus: Italian, Rhaetian, Sardinian
[N.B. Some other contemporary Latinate languages from the north of Italy include Faliscan,
Oscan, Umbrian, and Venetic, but these are mostly dead by 1200. Major Italian dialects are
regionally based, and include Corsican, Lombard, Neapolitan, Roman, Sardinian, Sicilian, and
Tuscan. Rhaetian, which includes several (mutually incomprehensible) languages, is spoken
in the Piedmont region.]
•French Languages: French (Langue d'Oil), Occitan (Langue d'Oc),
[The major dialects of Langue d'Oil are Normand (Norman French), Picard, and French. The
major dialects of Langue d'Oc are Catalan and Provençal. The dividing line is roughly the
Loire River.]
•Iberian Peninsula: Catalan, Castillian (Spanish), Portuguese
[Castillian and Portuguese are very similar languages.]
•Others: Latin, Dalmatian, Romanian
Slavic Languages
•Baltic: Latvian, Lithuanian, Old Prussian (Wendish)
•West Slavonic: Czech, Moravian, Polish, Slovak, Sorbian
•South Slavonic: Bulgarian, Macedonian, Serbo-Croat, Slovene
•East Slavonic: Russian, Belorussian, Ukranian
[N.B. Most South and East Slavonic languages use the Cyrillic alphabet. Croatian uses the
Latin alphabet although the spoken language is very close to Serbian.]
Other Languages
•Albanian: Gheg dialect is spoken in the north; Tosk dialect, the south.
•Arabic: Spoken through most of the Islamic world. Local languages also exist.
•Armenian: Classical Armenian (Grabar) uses the 38-letter alphabet developed by St.
Mesrop. Spoken in Kingdom of Lesser Armenia and in some areas through Anatolia
and the Caucasus.
•Basque: spoken in the western Pyrenees.
•Berber: spoken in Moorish Spain and Northern
Asmodeus Mogart- Messages : 6067
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Re: Les Langages dans Ars Magica
Asmo, est-ce qu'il faut revoir les feuilles de persos en conséquence ?
Arkat74- Messages : 2652
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Vocabulaire médiéval
http://www.provins-banquet-des-troubadours.fr/vocabulaire-medieval
Un lien posté par "Yoda" sur taverne, avec des éléments de vocable sur le moyen-âge. Intéressant pour donner une touche médiévale à vos textes sur ce forum.
Un lien posté par "Yoda" sur taverne, avec des éléments de vocable sur le moyen-âge. Intéressant pour donner une touche médiévale à vos textes sur ce forum.
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Re: Les Langages dans Ars Magica
Petite mise au point avec les Langages :
Voici les règles "officielles" :
Same language, different dialects: –1 penalty to both speakers
French vs Occitan: –2 penalty to both speakers
Breton vs Cornish: –1 penalty to both speakers
Breton vs Welsh: –2 penalty to both speakers
French (Norman) vs Anglo-Norman: –1 penalty to both speakers
French (Norman) vs Breton : –3 penalty to both speakers
Low German vs English: –3 penalty (only –2 if Frisian dialect) to both speakers
Example: A character from Normandy with French 5 (Norman) speaks to fellow Normans with an effective score of 6, French speakers with no dialect with an effective
score of 5, Parisians with an effective score of 4, all Occitan speakers with an effective score of 3, and can communicate with visiting English merchants with ease, as long as they
speak Anglo-Norman (effective score 4).
Pour la Bretagne :
Un normand qui parle avec un breton aura du mal à se faire comprendre surtout ci celui-ci n'a pas 5 dans sa Compétence Langage.
Il comprendra des ordres comme stop, En Avant, Charger, mais pas une conversation complexe.
Voici les règles "officielles" :
Same language, different dialects: –1 penalty to both speakers
French vs Occitan: –2 penalty to both speakers
Breton vs Cornish: –1 penalty to both speakers
Breton vs Welsh: –2 penalty to both speakers
French (Norman) vs Anglo-Norman: –1 penalty to both speakers
French (Norman) vs Breton : –3 penalty to both speakers
Low German vs English: –3 penalty (only –2 if Frisian dialect) to both speakers
Example: A character from Normandy with French 5 (Norman) speaks to fellow Normans with an effective score of 6, French speakers with no dialect with an effective
score of 5, Parisians with an effective score of 4, all Occitan speakers with an effective score of 3, and can communicate with visiting English merchants with ease, as long as they
speak Anglo-Norman (effective score 4).
Pour la Bretagne :
Un normand qui parle avec un breton aura du mal à se faire comprendre surtout ci celui-ci n'a pas 5 dans sa Compétence Langage.
Il comprendra des ordres comme stop, En Avant, Charger, mais pas une conversation complexe.
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Re: Les Langages dans Ars Magica
Beaucoup d'entre vous n'ont pas appris le Breton car couramment vous ne vous exprimez pas en Breton.
A l'alliance entre mages et compagnons vous parlez Latin et tous les Grogs comprennent le Franc.
Entre Nobles vous parlez Franc principalement et parfois Latin.
En ville, à Nantes on parle ,Latin, à Fay on parle Breton et on comprend le Franc (vu que c'est une ville avec une petite foire et qui dit foire dit souvent habitant plus ou moins polyglotte).
Néanmoins, je me réserve quelques ajustement sur certains personnage au niveau des Langues.
A l'alliance entre mages et compagnons vous parlez Latin et tous les Grogs comprennent le Franc.
Entre Nobles vous parlez Franc principalement et parfois Latin.
En ville, à Nantes on parle ,Latin, à Fay on parle Breton et on comprend le Franc (vu que c'est une ville avec une petite foire et qui dit foire dit souvent habitant plus ou moins polyglotte).
Néanmoins, je me réserve quelques ajustement sur certains personnage au niveau des Langues.
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Re: Les Langages dans Ars Magica
Une dernière chose :
La compétences langue détermine votre maximum si vous utilisez des compétences sociales.
Si vous avez Charme à 5 et Breton à 3.
Vous ne pourrez bénéficier que de votre compétences charme à 3.
Pareil pour Leadership,.....
La compétences langue détermine votre maximum si vous utilisez des compétences sociales.
Si vous avez Charme à 5 et Breton à 3.
Vous ne pourrez bénéficier que de votre compétences charme à 3.
Pareil pour Leadership,.....
Asmodeus Mogart- Messages : 6067
Date d'inscription : 11/06/2011
Age : 51
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